Can the Triumph 675R hang with the R6s? Why was Mladin faster?

1st question:
its all about time spent with the machine i assume .. i bet if the riders spent that much time with the 675 and disalvo just hopped on an r6 itd be the same as it is now .. same as yamaha and honda rule motogp and ducati falls behind .. cause ducati keeps changin riders who have diff preferences so they keep changin and tweaking altho its a great bike .. i bet if lorenzo or pedrosa spent 3 or 4 years on a duc as they have on their bikes then duc would be up top .. same as u or i would be slower if we kept switchin bikes .. and as far as the weight i 100% agree .. i hope they figure it out cause i hear jason and elena are good people and have the skill id just hate to see them fall behind cause of the bike as rossi did on the duc since he deemed them "unridable" in an interview

2nd question:
hayes is a beast no question and idk how the lap record has stood but from what ive seen from hayes, he gets ahead(not hard for him) and rides hard but safe for the win .. im sure if he fell behind a few places and needed the win that he would push harder and take more of a risk each lap therefor he might get close to or beat the record .. he is a hell of a rider

also as far as lap records go .. i think the most advances made in motorcycle racing and the most technology allowed on a bike are in motogp .. we can all agree on that as they bikes have more tech in them that a 17 yr old asian kids room ... yet some of the lap records on the circuits they race are from 2007 2008 2009 etc. and speed records as well dating back many years for certain tracks ... advances in technology sometimes take trial and error .. not every advance is a benefit .. maybe some advances dont mesh well with other tech on the bike so slow the times a bit .. idk but there are 1million factors that go into these bikes as we know .. tire compounds, presssures, traction control, suspension, brakes, size balls on the rider, rider weight, track temps, air temps, wind outside .. basically EVERYTHING matters and maybe mladin just had ALL those in his favors .. 1 factor not on point could mean the difference .. although almost a 2 second gap from track record and the laps the riders put in the other day is impressive

^^^ all my opinion .. may be wrong or irrelevant but thats what i think

 

In regard to Mladin, the difference in Superbike rule structure and spec tires are part of it.

 

According to RRW, Mladin may be planning a comeback to AMA Superbike to answer for himself!

 

Yamaha rules.

But in all seriousness, Jason just switched to the 2013 model, so it is still going through some changes. The R6's have stayed pretty much the same since 2008. They have those very dialed in.

 

not to mention track conditions that might have changed in 5 years, bumpiness and such.

 

Didn't Trevor tell us that they ground the track last winter, so it is smoother and grippier this year? I think it is a bit less bumpy, but T4 from the middle of the track to the right side of the track is still pretty bumpy.

 

I would say the spec of the bikes makes a bit a difference. And when did Mladdin set the record? Maybe Spies was breathing down his neck.

 

i didnt watch the race and i know disalvo can ride but as another user said being a new bike for 13' and the r6 having stayed virtually the same since 2008 theres that much more productivity and tweaking having gone into the r6 where they are still, im sure, figuring things out as they go with the 675 ... trial and error and i guess that day was error .. coulda been gearing or fueling or total weight of bike/rider or anything that meant the diff .. idk but im sure he and the bike will progress as the season does .. i feel more comfy every time i ride my bike and faster too as do most people .. and little tweaks in suspension and gearing etc. have helped

 

DiSalvo said before the race that he knew he could keep up in the beginning, but would be problematic as the race went on. I'd say he did exactly what he went out there to do.

 

it could simply be the tech just ISNT there ... yamaha has alot of bikes in ama .. thats alot of work going into them, alot of tweaking, alot of diff advances to achieve the desired effect .. ive done 3 td's and have seen maybe 4-5 triumphs total and 60-70 yamaha r6's 06-13 models ... they obviously know what they are doin .. triumph is a great bike but it just may not have been a good decision for those 2 to choose to ride them .. granted idk how the sponsoring and rides and all that go but realisticly i dont think taking a new bike to the track and expecting it to beat a proven machine like the r6 would happen but im hopin they figure it out so they get a few wins

theres a reason the r6 has stayed the same and the triumph and kawasakis and hondas keep changin .. dont fix what aint broken, fix what is

 

When Mladin set the record it was on a TRUE Superbike back then, with the rules change in 2010 (or 09 maybe... I forget) the bikes now are more closely SuperStock than Superbike (i.e. engine, chassis, electronics packages etc.). So those records should stand for quite some time. I am not sure that MM would be able to beat Hayes on equal equipment though (at least right away), he has been out of the game for some time but like a true champ he is; he will catch on quick.

 

With a Triumph on the box and 1/4 of the field on Triumph's, I would say Triumph is doing great.

 

Brett, please do not interject. I am loving this thread!!

 

agreed !! but the r6 is superior .. thats proven

its not comparing apples and oranges .. theyre both apples just diff flavors .. and the r6 just tastes a little better i guess

 

Numbers lie! ... Well, don't tell the whole story!