deviously designed turns

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  1. wpasicznyk

    wpasicznyk n00b

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    Because the head phone thread is getting too long and in response to fastfreddie's comment about devious track designers I make the following post:





    I have a devious quirk I would design into a track as I know where this example exists on a real road and I find it interesting. Also, Laguna Seca just removed something similar to this from the entrance to the Cork Screw.



    If the turn goes to the right then it would be an up hill turn and around 2/3rds into the turn (as defined by geometry not rider/driver apex) there would be a ridge across the track and askew. The initial hill would be steeper than after the ridge and the ridge would be reached earlier at the inside of the track when compared to the outside of the track. This would do two (2) things, 1st it would unload the suspension and 2nd it would push the vehicle to the outside of the track (acting to funnel vehicles to the outside edge of the track){in the opposite direction it would do a similar thing because it would allow the suspension to become unloaded}. Go too fast while leaned over and its good bye.



    I would suspect and expect the rider to alter the theoretical flat plane line to deal with the ridge in a manner that would put a motorcycle as vertical as possible to allow drive out and I would suspect this would test a rider's skill and possibly create a passing situation depending on the rest of the track before and after said turn.



    Is this not devious? You tell me. :twisted: :twisted: :p :shock: :shock: :shock:



    Walter
     
  2. Desmo46

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    Hello Walt,



    Sounds similar to the turn that exits into thunder valley at Mid-Ohio, at least when I rode there in '79.



    This corner goes uphil moderately, then downhill after the ridge. The ridge is quite pronounced on the right (inside) and almost non-existent on the left. The inside of the crest is shorter and gives a better line through thunder valley but causes wheelies. Both ways felt wrong. :cry:
     
  3. wpasicznyk

    wpasicznyk n00b

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    I hear you Mike. Nothings right, there's just a less bad. :shock: sort of like the president, or is that too loaded? :oops: :wink:
     
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    Nah, not too loaded Walt. It sadly fits too well. :(
     
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  6. K3

    K3 What's an apex?

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    You're all wrong. The only correct theory (mine) is that the ridge should run perpendicular to the geodedic anomily of the theoretic parabolic pentamoter. That way the function of the infarction is to delaminate the coefficient of friction in a non-linier bell curve.

    Surely you can all see that? :roll: :D
     
  7. wpasicznyk

    wpasicznyk n00b

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    Just make it like a wash board and we'll all feel right at home. Just like Pocono or 'old' Mid Ohio. :roll:
     
  8. fastfreddie

    fastfreddie Rides with no training wheels

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    ahhh, i see...coming out of the bowl at grattan CW.



    you engineering types need to tone it down...a lot.

    it's hard enough hard enough for me just to keep up with simple english without saying somethin' stupid. :lol:
     
  9. K3

    K3 What's an apex?

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    You wouldn't want to respond to that one anyway, Freddy. It's not engineer-speak at all, but merely a bunch of important-sounding words held together by pure sarcasm....
     
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    fastfreddie Rides with no training wheels

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    yeah but it wasn't personal. i thought it was clever even if it may not have been completely and/or technically correct. [​IMG]
     
  11. K3

    K3 What's an apex?

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    Well, could it still be personal if I said now that it was aimed at you, or have I missed my window of opportunity....

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
  12. K3

    K3 What's an apex?

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    I could USE a good straight man for my act....
     
  13. Old808

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    I agree, this is the most efficient way to effectively synergize backward overflow as you approach the corner with a six Sigma mentality. Assuming your shock absorber is properly set up, and you have made love to a woman in the six preceding months.
     
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    Spells disaster for married guys, huh?
     
  15. fastfreddie

    fastfreddie Rides with no training wheels

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    i never liked that turn. :lol:
     
  16. K3

    K3 What's an apex?

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    Get the red flag ready! :shock:
     
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    A GREAT photo op for crossed up wheelies... all where Bonnie can't see shit!! LOL!!!!
     

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