Can we use engine ice(it is light blue in color) in the radiater instead of water and wet wetter.Thanx Adam
Ok thanx guys.I just wanted to make sure that we can use engine ice for track days.I also wonder if anyother trackday orginisation would object to it use.I mean when tech sees the light blue color in the radiator resivure,they might think that is not compatiable for track day use being light blue in color in all.Thanx Adam
I rode with STT, NESBA and Team Pro-Motion last year and never once had an issue with using Engine Ice in my GSXR. YMMV
NESBA A Group does not allow Engine Ice, I and B group is OK. Its legal for AMA and CCS, not for WERA (unless they changed this year). I use it too.
Yes, NESBA (A) & WERA do not allow Engine Ice or similar... distilled water that can also be enhanced with Water Wetter is allowed.
Yeah, the whole argument with Engine Ice is that it is still Glycol based. I went to the Ed Bargy school, and they do not allow it there because it still has a form of Glycol in it. They only allow water and/or water wetter. I'm very glad STT allows Engine Ice.
yes - engine ice is slippery... consider it like antifreeze - it will still ruin the track if you go down and ruin the day for the rest of the group while it is cleaned up. If you are changing out the coolant and if your not anywhere where is below freezing, just save everyone's time and run watter wetter with distilled water (do not use tap water - will ruin your rad. )
If anyone should care. When the engine ice came out and a number of groups began allowing its use I asked each group that allowed it why. Every one answered with the exception of the AMA, which is not surprising once you understand how they work. Only one of the groups safety director’s who answered me asked why I was asking. Anyhow, point 1, why is it permitted? Because pure Engine Ice as its allowed cleans up like engine oil with ‘kitty litter’. DO NOT DILUTE THE ENGINE ICE WITH WATER, water is typically absorbed by the kitty litter first and then leaves the oil/glycol behind. In other words, diluted Engine Ice won't clean up with kitty litter. Point 2, why I asked, because I was discussing this with friends on wether we should bother with it or consider it to be a no-go (i.e. not in the spirit of the safety rules regardless) Being a chemist I had thought about this with the view that if it gets on the tire it is going to be just as slippery as ethylene glycol as the molecules are in the same family and only differ by 1 carbon and 2 hydrogens. If your bike leaks while you are riding it is not going to matter much what you have; water, water with water wetter, water and ethanol (a typical anti-freeze solution many years ago), water and ethylene glycol anti-freeze, water and propylene glycol anti-freeze or pure propylene glycol (Engine Ice) anti-freeze coolant. All reduce the available traction by a substantial enough margin that if you are going fast for dry conditions and turn in while coating your rear tire by any of the above, chances are veru close to 100% that you are going down. This is the purpose of the belly pan in racing, to catch all leaking fluids so you don’t crash and also so you don’t ruin track for others (at least minimize clean up). If you’re serious about being safe consider buying an aftermarket belly pan for your bike. You can use the belly pan to replace your stock lowers if you don’t want to buy a full set of fairings. You could also look in to buying a used set of racing fairings too, try the everything catalogue i.e. E-bay, STT 4 sale BBS, WERA, Roadracingworld classifieds etc... One member (I won’t say who but he may chime in ) had a connecting rod go through the engine block on his old GSXR at Summit Point and all he had to do to save himself was pull in the clutch (naturally the engine locked up). The belly pan collected all the fluids and the session didn’t have to be stopped as absolutely no fluids made it to the track surface. Most people didn't even know this happened. While we aren’t “racing†we are pushing the limits (at least our own) so we should care about our own safety and take the necessary precautions.
Same thing happened to my on my R6 last year at Autobahn. Sucked that my day was done, but I was relieved that all the fluid was in my belly pan and not the track.
Thats why I think Eng Ice is good stuff. It cleans up like oil so there is no issue no residue like coolant leaves. It keeps a much lower freezing point then water (water will freeze much faster) and thats huge for us midwest guys. It helps the bike run cooler and has some benefit of corrosion resistant to the cooling system components unlike pure water or wetter water. Like its been said if any fluid gets on the back tire it wont matter what it is. I wonder if eng ice is not legal in all parts of racing or trackdays due not being fully understood?
I live in Ohio and I run water and water wetter. End of season I throw in some antifreeze for winter and this MAKES me flush my cooling system in spring. This way I start the season with fresh water in the rad! I don't want to be the person people are pissed at 'cuz I tossed glycol based fluid on the track. I guess the same reason I wired my oil plug and filter for Novice group.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +1000000000000000000000000000000 Good Googly Moogly Guys! Listen to him. Change it out one time and you will be doing the V8 juice commercial thing..."WOW that was easy, why was I making it out to be this big deal"!!!