Can anyone give me an idea on this. What are the average (cut off) times at mid-ohio for different groups??
I've seen Novice groups get down as low as 1:50'ish. Usually, may just under the 2 min. mark. Intermediates are mid'ish 1:40's and up. Advanced are upper 1:30's to mid- 1:40's. These are typical. There are always a few who are non-typical :wink: The biggest difference between I and A is A riders are normally more smooth and their lines are consistent. This might be a good time for Brian to explain swooping again .
Hey Mike, thanks for the info man. you are right about the smoothness. wait a min, isn't brian one of those non-typical riders, who's really rough, where his lines are more like angles rather than curves!
Hey Mike, 1098 or any of the fast guys, can you please walk me through a lap at mid ohio. e.g. front straight in 4th full throttle, & towards the break marker one down shift, & turn one. up shift after the exit. downshift before going into the chicane, another downshift before the keyhole, turn in, let the bike drift out & then hard on gas on the exit....................... Turn 13, the lousy right hander has always been a biyeatch. such a detailed explanation & reference points will be appreciated very much. this way learning the lines & gear is so much easier. I was able to drop over 10 seconds in two days at jennings after talking to the fast guys, currently at 1.29.54
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To be frank... Or anyone else for that matter, that type of breakdown of the track is reall sort of an exercise in futility. Why? Simple, if you have time to think about all that information, you aren't riding fast enough!! The way I ride that track (06 R6) will vary from how someone else rides it based on riding style. I spent most of my time in 2nd 3rd and 4th, and dropped a tooth in the rear to 47. FWIW, I have run 1:36's there. I suggest taking a page from the novice group... Pick a gear, say 3rd, and ride the whole track in that gear w/ little or no brake in the first session. As speed picks up, shift. As you need to slow down, brake and downshift. If you need more drive out of a corner, either carry more speed in, or downshift prior, depending on where you are on track This will teach you FAR more than a turn by turn breakdown.I use this method at EVERY new track I go to and it works well. I promise, you will change your braking, shifting and reference points as speed increases. Also.. Youtube is your friend.
Get with one of the above gentlemen, not sure how often justin makes it to mid o, but brian is there a lot so he know the track VERY well
Justin/Frank, Brian & 1098. What you guys say makes sense & probably the best way to learn the track is to choose one gear & adjust according to increase/decrease in pace. but isn't breaking down the track the same as following fast guys & learning from them. the personal touches can come from there right? for instance turn 1 at jennings is best taken as a parabola, you dive in, drift out & then back in & hard on gas. this is how the fast guys take it & hearing it from the horse's mouth meant i didn't have to experiment & learn it from scratch. it served as a great starting point. turn 2 at jennings is the fastest turn. & it's just after the exit from turn 1, the fast guys short shift before the turn in & pin the throttle, the knee almost touches the apex. this subtle nuance would never have crossed my mind. (sometimes it's easier for me to be a monkey & ape the fast riders) I appreciate the comments, please keep em coming. (a side note. Daayyamm! Justin, 1.36, & you also pit next to todd the tire guy, who's faster?)
HEARING or READING it is much different than DOING it. Your advice at Jennings probably didnt make much sense until you saw someone else doing it in front of you. There are no reference points in a conversation, but there are plenty on a track! If you can follow someone slightly faster than you, even if only a couple corners, you will see quickly where you are giving time away. I will be at Mid O a LOT this year.. come find me by the tire machine and I will work w/ you happily! There are some little tricks that are good to know, but until you get out there, they dont make much sense. As for who is faster.. it depends on the tire guy... Todd is WAY faster, but Bavol just TALKS faster :wink:
Yo Justin, will you be there this weekend? & thanks for offering to help out man, appreciate it. I'll be sure to find you Sensei / Shifu I'll probably have to visit the tire shack a few times, the soft compounds take to asphalt like cheese takes to a grater, but couldn't pass on the wonderful deal at stg. Can you CRs bump riders up or down? I am actually interested in getting bumped down! given my pace, i am a decent interidiot but had to register as an advanced (inters overbooked).
Yep.. will be there both days this weekend... I cant wait!! Come find me after registration. I will be by the tire machine somewhere.