Mid pipe worth it?

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  1. OBcbr

    OBcbr Keep Calm and Throttle On

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    I'm being cheap and can't quite afford a full exhaust on my bike. I'velooked at AArrow headers and the price is around 600. My alternate solution is to delete he cat with a mid pipe. Ice read on 600rr.net that you can possibly lose some low end unless you tune it. I plan on using my juice box to tune it. Possibly even use a dyno. Is all this really worth it? No point in spending time on this if there aren't any gains.
     
  2. Derick

    Derick Rides with no training wheels

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    Do you race? If not, that is a whole bunch of money that could be spent in better places
     
  3. OBcbr

    OBcbr Keep Calm and Throttle On

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    Yea I race with WERA. I have road Atlanta next and I need just a bit more for that back straight. I know it's probably better to have a full exhaust, but as you know my racing expenses go everywhere.
     
  4. Eric_Cell

    Eric_Cell Rides with no training wheels
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    Are you racing as an expert or a novice?

    In my experience, novice racers can find much more time and speed by spending money on tires, seat time (track days), coaching, suspension, and suspension service than by spending it on an exhaust and tuning to get a few more horse power.

    Now, if you're an expert racer and have done all that can be done on the items mentioned above then by all means chase the extra horse power. However, if you're a second off the pace, don't expect the 5hp that you'll gain by replacing the exhaust and tuning the fueling system to gain you that full second.
     
  5. OBcbr

    OBcbr Keep Calm and Throttle On

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    I'm a novice. My fastest time at NOLA last weekend was 1:59.7. I still have a stock rear shock and an ohlins 20 mm kit front. I run GPAs for tires. I have a 2 bras slip on and juice box tuner. -1 +2 gearing. Everything else is stock.
     
  6. gsxrvette

    gsxrvette What's an apex?

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    I would forget about the pipe. Suspension and brakes are the best money spent. Up grade ss brake lines, high end brake pads, rotors etc. a couple hp won't help much
     
  7. OBcbr

    OBcbr Keep Calm and Throttle On

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    Check. Thank you.
     
  8. Nick.Desautels

    Nick.Desautels Rides with no training wheels
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    Keeping that mid range power rather than looking for top end will gain you more time in the corners. The bike will also be more friendly in the corners when you are on and off the throttle by keeping it the way it is. You start tuning for top end and the bike might get too snappy / abrupt on and off the gas. For a Novice this is something you don't really want to worry about or deal with while learning.

    Work on your riding and technique. Be smooth on your transitions moving around on the bike. Be smooth on your brakes. Be smooth with your throttle. A LOT of time can be made up and gained by working on these things.

    When you decide to build a motor then you will need an exhaust. A full exhaust on a bone stock motor is not going to do very much for gaining power. For an exhaust to be of use you need more fuel and more air. If you just put an exhaust on the bike without opening up the air box and giving it more fuel the bike will run hotter / leaner. I'm sure you could tweak and tune here and there with the computer but in the big picture.... More air, more gas means more exhaust flow.
     
  9. gkotlin

    gkotlin What's an apex?
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    Spend the money on a good riding school. Get a better drive out of the corners and you'll have a performance increase that goes with you on any bike. I have ridden different bikes, SV 650, R6 and Aprilia 1000 all in the same day. I've changed sprockets. Sacrificed a burrito to the racing gods. Done everything you could imagine. On the one day I rode 3 bikes. Each bikes lap time was in within .25 seconds. The mid pipe is not the key to drastic riding improvements or lap time changes. Good tires, good brakes and good suspension. Work on the rider and lear to ride the snot out of it.
     
  10. motoracerx

    motoracerx Rides with no training wheels

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    Buy a used Penske/Ohlins rear shock. First and foremost. Best $600 you'll ever spend on a bike.
     
  11. design-engine

    design-engine What's an apex?

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    you mean 1500.00


    Keep your eye pealed on ebay. I just seen a SS graves exhaust go for under 500 I like Titanium tho
     

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