Hi. I know most of you guys run Michelins, but I have tried them and prefer Pirelli's. But I am having a tire life problem. I have been running Diablo Superbikes (slicks), size 120/70 SC1 front (BLUE) and 190/55 SC2 rear (GREEN), for a '99 R6. I do run tire warmers. I’m in I group, and last outing at CMP ran a 1:50. So not that quick. I love the tires and the grip. The fronts are lasting well. The rears – I am going through one every six sessions or so. Everyone who looks at my tires says they are wearing great, good on temp, good on pressure. And, like I said, I am not that fast – the tire is definitely not the limiting factor. I would like my rear tire to last at least twice as long. Would the SC1 give me that kind of life? What is the best other option, to run the Diablo Supercorsa? I am cool with taking one small step back from the SB’s, but I would want to run the absolute next best track tire Pirelli offers, treaded or not. Is this it? Does it come in more than one temp range? I have two days at Barber coming up, followed by two days at CMP. I just can't afford another four rears. Thanks!
At an I group pace, you can even easily run the DCIII's without worry of getting near the tires performance capabilities and have the added ease of not even needing warmers... Check out what many of the CR's use and they run from Novice through Advanced without over-riding their tires...
yes I have seen people who had horrible results with Michelins and Dunlop switch to the Stones 002's and have great results. I have been using the YCY and YCX slicks and IT has been a night and day change from Michelins as far as wear and feed back. Not that I'm saying you should try slicks just the fact that Bridgestones have had great results.
Seems like you'd kinda be wasting your money a bit running slicks in I group. That's just my opinion, though... I know bunches of people who run in A group on "street" rubber without any issues. Slicks just aren't going to last very long doing track days, they weren't meant to. *Edit: As I understand it, anyway. Haven't used slicks, myself.
agree with him, i use the 002's as well and my front is lasting a pretty good while but back tire, i changed out after 2 track days. keep in mind this bike did not run on the street at all, once track day was over it went into the garage and put on a stand till next track day. granted keep in mind i have not ran michellin's or pirelli's so i can not compare them. i just like these tires and brand and i have always used them at some shape form or fashion. hope that helps.
you got it right - running slicks in I group is kindof a waste of money. I want to Pirelli's. I think that adds up to Supercorsa's. So do they come in different temps or compounds, or is there just the one tire?
Honestly, from the enormous amount of positive feedback I've heard, you might be well served giving the Diablo Corsa IIIs a shot. I ran Pilot Powers for a long, long time, but always shagged them hard at Putnam. I have since switched to BT002s, but my buddy on an identical bike (practically) used some DCIIIs at Putnam the last time we went, and I was shocked at how well his tires held up. And he's running fast I/slow A pace there.
At that pace, you're definitely wasting your money. If you're a Pirelli fan, I'd definitely recommend trying the DCIII's. Most of my fellow coaches are running Pilot Power's - regular o'l Pilot Powers, and have no problem riding a pace that puts them in the top 1/3 of the A group. You'll learn a lot more about riding a tire to it's limits with a supersport street tire than you ever will with slicks. For an I group pace, slicks are at worst, a waste of money and at best, a rather expensive crutch. Seriously, I'm not knocking you- try street tires- pay attention to the feedback that they give you and learn from that. They may not give you the confidence that you think you get from slicks, but you'll be learning much, much more from them and you'll ultimately be a better rider as a result. Then, when you're riding a mid-A group pace, go back to slicks and apply the lessons that you've learned- the pay-off will be much better. Cheers, Lance
i'd still like to know what eats his tires that much, that at his pace his rear lasts only 6 sessions. :shock:
Do you have pics of the "shagged" powers? I have NEVER seen a power fall apart or even appear to shag. A large part of the midwest staff uses powers in all kind of conditions with great results. We have TRIED to ruin one and failed... all we can do is wear them out... adn they wear like iron! If they are truely "shagged" I would start looking first at suspension components rather than new tires. This could also be the reason why you only get 6 sessions out of a rear tire. How do you have your bike set up? Who did the work? Why run a 190 rear on a 600? The 180 is more than sufficient.
Well, maybe "shagged" was the wrong word, but they were definitely not working right at Putnam anymore. I was starting to overheat the rear, I think, and it would get pretty greasy and start slipping under acceleration in the afternoon. This problem only got worse when I upgraded my suspension. You're right, they do wear like iron, and the last set I have still has plenty of street miles left, but they just don't grip on the track anymore. Though FWIW, they still worked pretty well at Mid-Ohio.
