What kind of tire warmers

Hi,

I am newbee just starting to build up on the necessary things for track.

going from thinking that tire warmers were just fancy to knowing that they help with the heat cycle & keep the tires from dying an early death.

now I don't quite understand the application of single temp warmers, dual temp warmers & digital multi temp warmers.

advantages, pros & cons, would the multi temp be an overkill anyone???

 

not overkill...its just a matter of what u want to do with them. Not all tires need the 175 degrees of a one setting warmer. rains and wets are lower temp. plus with the lower temps u can heat tires slower and u can keep them at a lower temp during longer downtimes

 

Thanks 1098inMi,

what type do you have & how do you use your tire warmers ?

before start of a session?
& in between sessions?
& what factors do you consider while setting temps?

 

i currently only have the single temp but am looking to upgrade this winter. i put mine on about an hour before the first session so the entire carcass heats up, then i throw them back on when i get off the track. i put the warmers on but dont leave them on during the entire lunch time i fire em back up an hour b4

 

I've got a few articles @ trackdaymag.com that might be helpful:
Why Use Tire Warmers?: http://www.trackdaymag.com/Article.aspx?id=1878
Tested: Chicken Hawk Racing Pole Position Warmers: http://www.trackdaymag.com/Article.aspx?id=1954

lets hear a little more about you, though: what skill group do you ride in? what bike do you ride? what tires do you use?

Unless you're riding in the A group, I'd recommend putting off tire warmers & race tires and invest instead in improving your suspension. at the bare minimum, getting your bike's suspension set properly for your weight is the best perfomance mod you can make- upgrading to a better shock, like an Elka, Penske or Öhlins and getting better valving in your forks will take it even further, enabling you to get the most out of your bike, regardless of the tires you use.
If you're a Novice or intermediate group rider, you're not likely to be reaching the limits of traction offered by today's supersport street compound tires. at this skill level, the extra money spent on race tires, warmers and a generator would be better served by simply spending it on more track time (after you've upgraded your suspension sufficiently, of course ) After you've graduated into the Advanced skill group, then you might consider whether your tires are the limiting factor in terms of going faster. I'd recommend Chicken Hawk Racing standard warmers for your first set- (since you'll need a generator as well, might as well keep the costs low) I'm on my second set of them & I love them. The 3-temp Pole Position warmers are fantastic as well- they'll be my next purchase; unfortunately, I had to return the set that i tested... In the end, I suppose it all boils down to what you can afford... if you're really strapped for cash, what ever you do, don't buy the cheap Chinese made Sumo-Moto warmers- they're poorly made and their customer service stinks.
good luck!

 

^
yea what he said

 

Thanks Guys,

The only reason for bringing up warmers was because I thought the heat cycle destroyed tires.

I am only a novice & want to stay there for this season, although the instructors gave me the green to move up to intermediate.

I have a new 07 R6 with bridgestone btx 16 triple compound & as you correctly put it gigantic, i am no where near finding the traction limit & know that. before moving to r6 i was on a yzf 600r, absolutely loved the big heavy monster, at best i averaged in the low 1 min 50s at mid-ohio.



Also i realized the importance of a good suspension setting, bought a very nice book by 'sport rider' & will start to experiment with sag, rebound & lastly compression, would love to talk to the DOS guy now that i actually know how the mechanics, geometry (rake & trail) affect handling.
the world of suspension is like an ocean.

it's actually a relief to hear someone say 'wait till u get better' cuz i just spent a ton of money on good gear & helmet.

 

heat cycling will destroy tires, but it's less of an issue with street compound tires. My first year, I got 12 days out of a set of Michelin Pilot Powers & then rode them for another 2500 miles on the street. Not saying that you should push your tires that far, but I'd imagine that you could easily get 6 days out of your 'stones, which is almost double what you might get out of a race tire.

 

Thanks again Gigantic et all,

I can now enjoy my track time in peace (for now),

but the gods of mcycle will surely entice me with something else tht i def. need.
damn! why do we have credit cards.................

 

Thanks Brian.

My take away from your post:

really useful for Race compound tires,
if wera racers use dual temp warmers, then it should suffice
heat cycle explanation makes sense ( i kinda deducted the same but you put it in perspective)

Thanks a lot all you guys for keeping newbees from spending on things they don't really need for a while.

 

get them, they're worth it.

 

Oh Come on Gigantic.

You are sounding like Bush...

just when you convinced me to put em off for later.....

 

The brake lines, silly!
oh, i see you've edited your post... :x

 

Ah cool

yeah i took it off cuz brian posted a reply on the brake lines thread

phew, it feels good (every time) to know i don't have to get warmers. yeaaaa