Quick question..... I see most everyone always says a 600 is better suited/or more fun for the track than a 1000. This comment really confuses me..... other than the requirement of being less ham-fisted on the 1000 it seems the 1000 would be better as the idea of riding a 600 with the rpm's always above 10,000 seems very tiring. It really can't be the weight difference as it's only a 13 pound difference between a 2013 ZX10r and ZX6r. So.... why is the 600 a better choice???????? Just for an fyi, I currently ride (on the track) an 04 ZX10r and age-wise am over the 1/2 century mark. So..... why a 600???? Thanks!!
I think one of the biggest differences between a 600cc vs. 1000cc is how much you have to "work" each one. I've noticed I get much more tired riding a liter bike because of how much power you have to contain from it on the track. Another thing that tires me (probably the most) on a 1000 is when throttling out of a corner it gets very tiring trying to stay on the bike and hold on to it.
I ride an 04 10R as well. I do love the liter power! Mostly I think it allows me to make up lost time for piss poor lines , hence why I love the hp so much. However, I do agree with GabeRR holding on to the damn thing corner exit is a SOB! ahhhhh wouln't trade it for a 600 though. DAMN is next season here yet!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks guys!! I just think running for 20 minutes straight with RPM's above 10,000 would be mentality exhausting. Maybe I'm just over thinking the process lol
I ride an 06 gsxr 1k and I would only have another liter bike at the track.... Of course I am not out there trying to run AMA lap times... To me, I can get plenty of corner speed on a liter bike but still have the "go like hell" throttle when coming out of a turn
The Triumph 675R is as nimble as a 4 stroke bike can be, power from 8,000-12,500 rpm, nothing at all like riding an inline 4 cylinder 600! Effortless to ride, a varitable majic carpet ride. Very comfortable, narrow and oh so svelte, the most fun I have had other than a 2S GP bike IMHO
Sylvania, Oh West side! of Toledo. What about You? If you live in T-Town and we didn't piggyback this past year shameful!! :getdown:
Not the case just because the bike is being ran hard does not mean you are using up a lot of your brain power to keep up with its rpms. 600 are pretty easy to ride as everyone has said just pin it to win it. Liter bikes you have to maintain much more concentration on the throttle to maintain the rear wheel and keep the front down. That can be mentally exhausting for most and not having to keep up with this give you a bit more of your attention to be focused on you not the bike. And passing BMW S1000rr on a 600 is pretty cool too:thumb:
Yep that makes sense...... just because the bike is running hard doesn't mean those RPM translate to my brain running harder.
I currently have a track only gsxr1000. 1000s are an adrenaline rush like no other but they are tiring. Just a bit of extra throttle and the rear spins. The closing speed coming into corners is higher requiring better brake timing and control and gives you an upper body workout, and holding onto the thing at corner exits wears you out. But at many tracks you can park it in one gear and focus on the rest. If I had to do it again or get a second track bike it would be a R6, a daytona 675, or gsxr750. These are just more fun to ride; less worry, less taxing, peoples advice of "pin it to win it" can actually work, tires last a bit longer and I can focus on my lines vs all the rest. To each there own... but I have no intention of selling my 1000.
:amen: It all comes down to your personal goals IMHO. If you want to ride around and simply enjoy being at/on the track, any bike you really like works just fine. If, however, you want to actively work to improve your technique and skills, the mid weight bikes will allow you to more quickly hone those skills. They allow experimentation with fewer repercussions for inattentive inputs, and force you to practice good technique to improve. Lessons learned with a smaller herd of horses allow you to more effectively corral the bigger herd in the future. Or, "PIN IT TO WIN IT!!" :thumb:
I am looking for a "middle weight" bike for a second track steed because they are fun to ride and allow for me experimenting.
1000rr Looks like us 1000 riders need to but the hurt back on Ski so he keeps his trap shut on how he passes us. Looks like its going to be a long winter listening to him on how he passes all us litre bike riders. Barber cannot come soon enough. Bubbles BMW 1000rr owner :rawk:
Passing a S1000RR is fun, but the person on the BMW is having just as much fun cause when you pin the throttle on that bike; the power is like nothing else! I've never been on a faster engine powered machine, and don't think I ever will. I love it.
600 sportbike = all day fun at the track 1000 sportbike = ohhhhhhshhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiitttttttttt as you go blow the corner entry!
What is "tiring" about riding a 600cc at 10k+ all the time? That is where the bike operates the best. If by "tiring" you mean "loud", some good earplugs might help. FWIW...every motorcycle (or anything with a motor) works better (makes more power) at higher RPM's. Even a V-Twin makes more power as RPM's climb. The "goal" is to ultimately get around the race track as quickly as possible. And that is done by keeping the bike where it makes its power. Even when racing a 1000cc, the bike stays in the uppermost area of its respective RPM range. I will keep my R6 between 10k-15k...I will keep my R1 between 8k-13.5k. A 600 is a "better" choice because it allows more room for error. You can get away with less than perfect throttle control on a 600 much easier than you can on a 1000. It also forces you to work on techniques/skills to make passes (and improve your lap times) other than relying on HP.