Hi This thing sounds like a dream, Traction control unit with a quick shifter & an ignition module, plug & play, change maps on the fly (well this may be a little more complicated than that) has anyone used it here? does anyone have an expert opinion on it? any thoughts? how about the debate of being a pu$$y for using TC instead of learning to control the wrist
sounds cool, my thoughts are that you should learn to ride and find the limits of the bike and tires before you have a computer do it for you, but....being able to lean it over and roll the throttle on really hard and let the TC do its thing is pretty cool too
Contact jason at departmentofsuspension@yahoo.com for info on bazzaz. I know he worked with a WERA expert on this gear. If you have the $ to spend on trick electronics then why not go for it. I'm sure plenty of people will throw a fit or call you a wussy For doing so but who cares. In the end why would anyone Be motivated to say something negative? Its your life do what you want just don't do it to me!
quick shifter would def be a nice addition I got all the traction control i need in my right hand, the only time it might be overly nice to have is in the rain. Overall though the bazaaz unit has been getting good reviews, the self mapping feature is nice.
Thanks Guys. My thoughts were, better to put in $1k now than to low-side & pay for repairs. it's like spending on new tires to stay safe! but the question is how effective is it? or is it a tool that's best used by experts. you know the kind who crack teens at jennings, i am only at 1.29. (for now)
Bobby Buchsbaum (Posts here as BRKNBNZ)had one on his GSXR1000- and had loads of trouble getting it sorted out, so much so that I believe he sent it back. Might want to PM him about his experience with it. Last I spoke to him, he was less than pleased.
WUSS!!! my way is ALWAYS better... just ask me! :lol: Seriously, go for it.. I plan to put it in my next bike for all the reasons Brian mentioned. Todd Thomas (T2, tire guy, etc.) put it in his 1k last year and was very happy w/ it. I havent ridden that bike since he did, but i have actually heard it working for him. He has a lot of good things to say on it.
Thanks! the usual suspects to the rescue again. Brian, Gigantic, Justin & 1098. Are you guys referring to the 'faster than a speeding bullet' tire guy, who has a target on the back of his suit. man, i saw him at mid-ohio, it seemed like he was lapping all the other advanced guys. he handled the litre bike the way people handle their pit bikes. per my readings, it seems like setup is the most crucial part, apparently there are a few glitches with the self mapping software and is better if done on a dyno by a professional. The article also warned that it wasn't high side proof & you could still high side to the moon. Asking WERA folks is a very good idea!
Yep, that's Todd w/ the target. Unfortunately, I have spent a LOTTA time staring at it, and he probably has no idea what is on the back of my leathers! Like anything else, proper set up in the beginning reaps HUGE benefits over the life. It might be a pain in the Arse, but so is constantly screwing w/ somethin that never seems "just right" Glad to see we have been of some help... Brian is pretty knowlegeable for someone that lives in Ohio :wink: He has a lot of experience and is more than willing to share it! He' still a wuss though :lol:
Hey Justin, I am sure Todd notices the back of your jacket, every time he passes you (people from ohio stick together!) On a side note, it's good to hear the opinion of fast guys on technical things. Now all i have to do is look for a place to get this thing tuned. Hey Brian, Does your traction control require sensors on the wheel. isn't that what moto gp guys use, the secret of casey stoner & his cornering.
"people from ohio stick together" Now I understand. Ever try any of the new industrial strength adhesive removers?
I just installed the Bazzaz Z-Fi TC on my '09 CBR1000RR. I'm not using the auto-tuning or quick shifter options, although the ECU supports that. I do have the handlebar-mounted map and TC adjustment switch. I have a full custom tune, and the bike runs very good. Unfortunately I can't comment about the TC, as I just don't have enough experience with it yet. I'll be at Nashville in a couple of weeks, so that will be my first track experience with it. In general TC is nice but no panacea. Ben Spies said on his AMA bike he can't just pin the throttle when fully banked over -- it will low side. He said at moderate bank angles it works well, but doesn't give any more performance than manual control. More sophisticated TC systems like on MotoGP bikes have very sophisticated sensor suites that monitor bank angle, GPS position, wheel speed, etc. They can continuously alter TC parameters based many factors, and come closer to "just pin the throttle" carefree operation. However as Jorge Lorenzo will testify, it's not perfect. He's been on several "Mr. Toad's Wild Rides" while using a supposedly foolproof MotoGP TC system. My only reason for getting the Bazzaz TC version was I had to get some piggyback ECU tuner, and I wanted the future option for quickshift and maybe auto-tune. The Z-Fi TC gave me that in a single package, plus TC. BTW it doesn't have ignition timing control. There's a separate Bazzaz product called Z-Bomb that disables factory high-rpm timing retard on some bikes. It's similar to the Power Commander's Ignition Retard Controller. Both are simple cables that simply "jumper out" the timing retard added on some bikes, sometimes added for EPA regulatory or other reasons. Power Commander has a separate product called "Ignition Module" that allows programming of ignition timing.
This Sport Rider article discusses the Bazzaz and Ducati 1098R TC systems: Article: http://www.sportrider.com/features/146_0808_2008_ducati_1098r_honda_cbr1000rr_shootout/index.html Bazzaz TC: http://www.sportrider.com/features/...r1000rr_shootout/honda_cbr_modifications.html
Joema & Brian, Thanks a lot guys. I now understand the difference in the way bazzaz & the true TC works. the bazzaz options certainly sound nice with all the add on features. The info on the effectiveness of bazzaz tc is far from conclusive at this point. until then i guess it's Keith code's twist of the wrist.
The articles were worth reading, other than feeling a murderous rage towards these writers who do this for a living, it's actually very informative. more specifically their review of the bazz Tc is pretty good, it's definitely not a fool proof tool (nothing actually is in this life, if i am to take a poetic route), but it still helps with lap times if one takes the time to fine tune the tc. i guess it kinda aids in smoothening the twist out of a corner.
If you read all or most of the MotoGP racers comments on TC, you'll find that most of them don't like it. Yes, Casey can wack the throttle wide open at mid corner, but what you don't realize is the attitude of the bike doesn't respond to his' input but rather the computer's. There are times the rider wants the back to come around and when the TC doesn't let the bike do that, well the rider then has to do other things to finish the turn. The fastest MotoGP racers are the ones pushing the front end to its limit. That is, they are sliding the front through the turns. The TC saves the rear tire from destruction.
That's not what I've read. Rossi has spoken against it, but that's understandable -- it helps the lesser riders more, hence makes it harder for him. If Rossi or Stoner don't like TC, they can just turn it down or off. E.g, last year launch control was permitted, but Stoner thought he didn't need it, so just turned it off. He got better launches without it than other riders got with it. Even on MotoGP you can't blindly whack the thottle wide open in a turn. The TC just isn't that good -- Nicky Haden experienced that recently. Last year Rossi's teammate Jorge Lorenzo had major high-sides, despite a super-sophisticated TC system. Even with TC, great rider skill is needed. They can't just mindlessly whack the throttle open. Rossi's crew chief Jeremy Burgess discusses that in this article: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/May/080513rn.htm