I am sure there is a thread buried on this some where. ok so i want an idea pros and cons of tire warmers. I have no plans to run a straight up track tire i can't afford a second bike at the time. let me rephrase a track only bike. Is there any beneifit on a sport street /track tire to run warmers? Currently running the avon 3d ultra sport and Bridgestone s20 Thanks i am looking foward to your responses Rob
If you are running street tires save your tire warmer money for suspension set up or more tires. How's your finger doing? I believe Ramm still has a mirror of yours in the bed of his truck.
It's still there as much as I have spent on it I should have had them cut it off lol. Having some issue with the pull back tendon. The original dislocation is healed and month later they found a break In my metacarpal head ( joint right at the hand) and they cut it open put two screws in. I wish I had better gloves on since that was a high speed get off if it wasn't for the hand I wouldn't have need a dr visit at all. I have been back on the bike for two short street rides and upgraded to a better suit and gloves just waiting on summer now. Thanks for the replies mainly I ride Gratten wich is pretty easy on tires and wear. So I haven't had much greasy feel since I stopped running pure powers. I have gotten tires that hot at Gingerman and it makes sense you would just reach that points faster. Been whatching for a second set of wheels just haven't caught a great deal yet. Side bar so if I do go to power ones and warmers they will last more track days and offer better grip? Or just better grip for the length of the sessions? Ps riding a zx10r
I used them on my Q2's, mostly for piece of mind on those critical first 2 laps or so while they warm up. If you can't control yourself for that first lap, then they are a good insurance policy.
FWIW This is a pretty unpopular view, but we (X and myself) don't use warmers much at all at trackdays, including race tires. We'll put them on in the morning, or if it's cold. Sometimes if we go play in A. Otherwise we typically only use them for racing. From the POV of a coach though, at least in N, or I, we're supposed to be leading people out at a pace that warms tires up, and generally speaking, we can go out even on cold race tires at a faster pace than most intermediates on hot tires without much worry. I don't even really bother with a full lap: hard acceleration, hard braking and minding what I'm doing for the first few turns is typically all it takes. And I'm talking about C compounds. The "hard" tires. Not worried much about heat cycles as the tires we use at trackdays are take offs from race weekends, and we have plenty of those. We've also been told from tire guys that modern compounds aren't as sensitive to heat cycling as they used to be. Anyway, what's my point? It's that you don't *need* tire warmers. It's fine if you *want* tire warmers, but you don't really have to have them. Certainly wouldn't use them at all on street tires, as Brian outlined upthread, since they're designed to be used without them.
I purchased my 1098 with a set of UK Ntecs on it. I successfully ran them at a mid-INT pace last year without warmers. I'm not worried about setting my fastest lap in the first couple laps, so I'd rather spend my money on more trackdays. This is one of those questions like, "Which oil should I use?" that will always be debated. In the end, it's up to personal preference. This is from Dunlop Racing's FAQ page.... How many Heat Cycles can I get out of a tire? Heat Cycles is not an issue with Dunlop racing tires as it would be with other brands. The more important factor is how much tread is left on the tire. Stable fact: thicker rubber has more grip and develops more heat, thinner rubber has less grip and runs cooler. After each session you have less grip. As the tire wears out, you have less and less grip. It could be slight or it could be large. Some riders call it heat cycling, but, in actuality, its the rubber getting thinner and thinner. It truly depends on how much the tire is worn out, and your specific demands for grip that determines when the tire is not usable for you.
The bump I got on my head from a cold tire crash a few years ago - made me get and use tire warmers. They are especially useful on cold days.
I run 'em ... because like Marc said, pin it to win it! I didn't before though on street tires, but now that I run DOTs... and then slicks... I won't go back to street tires for track days!
I am a believer that it is Myself that is the limiting factor and not the bike (or tires) so I plan to continue running street tires for some time. I am running Power Pures but have a set of Q2s which will go on next. The Pures have six Novice days on them and have plenty of tread left and aren't chewed up, but they've been on the bike in the garage in cold Indiana winter temps (elevated on stands). How many of you guys would run the Pures at Barber in March and who would put the Q2s on despite the fact that the Pures have lots of tread? Sorry to hijack the thread but I also considered whether to use warmers on street tires.
wow you even found the toe slider....:jester: Reminds me i need to look for some megnisium ones at IMS this weekend