My friend and I have an ongoing discussion (debate) regarding how these tires compare, and I’m curious to see how other track riders weigh in on this subject now that the Q3 has been out for a while. My own experience has been mostly on the Dunlops. At the end of the 2013 season I was bumped to Advanced so my pace is Fast Intermediate / Slow Advanced. I started riding the Q2’s on my SV650, then got an ’09 ZX6R (now my dedicated track bike) and have had nothing buy Q3’s on them. I have been very happy with the Q3 and have never felt that tire move on me or get greasy. Also, I’ve been able to pick them up while they’ve been running the $40 rebate so the cost for the set is an amazing $189 which is a hell of a bargain. In my opinion, it’s the best value out there on a great tire. Also, and purely from an asthetic standpoint, I don’t like the way the PP3’s look. I don’t like the tread pattern. My friend however had a bad experience with a set of Q2’s on his CBR600 and ever since has been using Michelin’s which he really likes. He just did not think the Q2 was a good tire. He now runs PP3’s. We both got bumped to Advanced at the same time but I would say overall, he is a slightly faster rider and carriers a bit more lean angle. He really likes the Michelin tire but is considering trying the Q3 this season. I’ve spoken to some very high level riders out at Mid Ohio who have posted some impressive lap times on the Q3’s and swear by them, but I’m sure the PP3 is a great tire too. So, is there anyone out there who has tried both of these tires that can give some unbiased feedback? Just curious. Tires seem to be an emotional subject for a lot of riders, you like what you like. I’m open to trying different tires, but for the money, I think I’m going to stick with the Q3 till I feel like I’m at the limit, at which time I will probably try the Michelin Super Sports. Booma
Sounds like you've both found a tire that you like. What's to debate? Let's talk about your oil instead.
I switched from PP3'S to to BT-003'S and dropped 3 seconds off of my time at Barber. I loved the PP3'S but felt more comfortable with the BT-003'S, which allowed me to go faster. Obviously, there is a science to it, but I think a lot of it is riding style and confidence.
Apples to apples please. Race tires or trackday tires will always trump a true street tire! Pp3 are excellent and easily able to run low 1:4x at Barber! Sure Q3 is equally as good Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Nope not going to run Michelin again. Sry I use to be until three weeks ago a die hard Michelin fan an ran 2ct but when I'm drifting turns running 10min Dragon runs its time to switch. Now I run the bt003r and love them. Except for my get off yesterday with them never felt like they were going to slide. But this incident was too much throttle at too much lean.Lol oh well. Going to try 211 Dunlop next. Sent from my HTC6600LVW using Tapatalk
The wreck I had yesterday was not. The sliding the week before was. Sent from my HTC6600LVW using Tapatalk
Last week on pp2ct slid all over the place while cornering. This week running bt003 I wasn't. I just made a error in throttle and caused my self to low slide. Would have done it on any tire. Sent from my HTC6600LVW using Tapatalk
And how old are these 2cts?!? Pp3 are a huge jump ahead of 2ct besides nothing wrong with a sliding tire! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Compare the price. We've run thru a bunch of Q2's and love them (especially when you can get them at that good price).
Two months maybe a 1/4 ware. It's fine for the rear I'm use to that as I have a bad habit of grabbing to much throttle but when I can't enter a turn with out the front wanting to step out or hold mid turn that's when they got to go. Like I said I liked them until that and another wreck last year that was chalked up to tires that were Michelin. I would run them on a purely street riden bike that didn't get leaned over as far. I've heard great things on the 3. But with the track Michelin doing the same on my buddy's race bike I'll stick to bridge and Dunlop. Just my .02 some say the other. That's why we all end up running different tires. Pick what you feel comfortable and confident on. Sent from my HTC6600LVW using Tapatalk
Temperature? Tire pressure? What was the temp difference btw the michelin slide and the bridgstone grip? All factors that play into things. All modern street tires are pretty amazing really, but rider is the biggest factor. I'm admittedly biased toward michelin, but I also know that 99% of the time its not the fault of the equipment, its the fault of the operator. I have a good number of years of riding and I have ridden Powers within a couple seconds of race pace with never an issue. They got a little greasy when hot, but just enough to tell me to back down. I doubt heat was your issue though. Why the hell were you pushing that hard on the street anyway?
So, that is three crashes in a little over a year? And you think it is the tires??? I suggest otherwise.... but what do i know, I just teach this stuff. Mid corner handling is more about throttle application and suspension set up than tire. The tire comes into play when you are off throttle, which loads the front, which causes you to run wide, which adds weight to the front, which NO tire can handle and you fall down. As I said before, that is not the tires issue, that is the rider. The fact that you made it though with one brand and not another had nothing to do with the tire's capability. Do yourself a favor, buy Twist of the Wrist II and read it, twice. It will teach you a LOT about what you THINK you are doing right and what you actually ARE doing right!
I've read it and watched it several times. I know where I'm to blame. Both time the temps were mid 60's, bt I run 23-24 in rear and 27-28 in front. I had the Michelin anywhere from 20-28 in rear and 25-32 front could not get them to stay. Colder they were fine but about half way down after they start to melt they get so greasy they would slide. I would have to back off. I know I'm to blame under throttle guys. It's a habit I've been trying to break out of for the last year. And three crashes. Where you get that. I slid on ice a month a go. Not mine nor the machine/tire fault no one was going to stop that drop and it was in a parking lot. I totaled one bike last June on pures. Those flat out suck. Rather run plain pp. Again I've ran 2ct for the better part of three years and loved them, but the last two sets I've gotten have moved me toward a better tire. If all I did was cruise around town with some baby twisties I would run them all day as I can get 3k out of a rear. But going to the Dragon with everyone of the other local/track riders I need something that will help keep it to the pavement. Bt 003 work great. Ware fast but I get the feed back I want and the traction that my heavy hand needs. I'm not saying anyone is wrong here. Yes the cause of my wreck was rider error. But, from previous experience with Michelin I seriously doubt I would have made it through as far or he'll may not have even wrecked as I would not have trusted them to go that low. As for why am I riding on the road that fast, can't help it. This is why I'm on this forum and David Allison has been pesturing me and beaten it into my head to get to the track. Maybe when I get to experience track riding I won't go so fast on the hill and wait till the next track day. And as bad as it sounds. Till then the Dragon is my track. Just have to slow it down more and keep working on my form. No need to bash me brothers I was only giving what I have experience. Take it or leave it. To go the speeds most of us do up there pp will not work. Sent from my HTC6600LVW using Tapatalk
Not bashing at all... you said yourself, this is why you came to this forum. Listen to Dave to come to the track... and grab a coach! The instant feedback is exactly what you need! You are gonna get hurt, or worse if you keep doing what you are doing, much less without learning from mistakes. You have made my point for me.... its not the tires, your own habits and riding is to blame. Just because you were lucky on 'stones doesnt make them better, it makes you lucky. My focus turned from tires to you not getting hurt! I know plenty of people that have ridden the dragon, on powers, in the spring, VERY quickly and not had issues. I can speak personally that they are mid pack capable in a novice 600 race based on times I have run on them at a track.
Ok well might help that I run a 1k as well. And on pp on the Dragon I can't get faster then right under 10 min while on the bt I'm 9:20-9:30 and when I wrecked I was listening to a coach or instructor. Brendon Chastain. Least he said he was an instructor. Was getting pointers on upper body position. I had a bad line for the second apex and went to correct by easing off the throttle to go in more and my front slid from it not being but semi warm and too far of a lean so I hit the gas to just pull out of it and caused me to drop the bike down even more ending up grabbing my toe slider and peg which picked the bike up and slid the rear to a point where I couldn't save it. I was at fault yesterday I know where I messed up. I know the total was too much throttle for the pure tire. It is not good at all at lean. Straight always that is s good tire. But at full lean I have only felt confident on Bridgestones. I feel uneasy on pp at lean just don't get the same feed back for me to feel ok being over on them that far. Track may be different for those tires. They may give me the same confidence from both. Sent from my HTC6600LVW using Tapatalk