Safety Wire

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  1. TeamBeer

    TeamBeer Rides with no training wheels

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  2. Ohio_1199DUC

    Ohio_1199DUC Knows an Apex when he sees one
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    I strongly suggest saftey wire!!!! I also strongly suggest that on day 2 of your track day when you top off your oil.... do everything before tech so if you forget to tighten your fill cap the tech guys can slap you!
     
  3. sobottka

    sobottka Rides with no training wheels

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    I don't agree. I have had a much easier time keeping the rpms low. Its been my experience you'll burn the cutting edge right off those little bits in no time with too much rpm. Where do you get a 3000 rpm drill anyway?
     
  4. RAZR51

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    I've have good luck with Kobalt bits, the Vermont American bits not so much.
     
  5. roy 826

    roy 826 Rides with no training wheels

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    I prefer the small guage wire much easier to work with. Looks nicer when twisted properly also. A spool of wire last a long time......
     
  6. Rick412

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    Not shown in the pics but pig tail the ends (turn the cut end in on itself) so the tech guys don't get cut... Needle nose vice grips work o.k. if you don't have safety wire pliers.
     

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  7. RAZR51

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    You can use a few safety clips things, then just wire to them, that way you don't have to start over every time you take a bolt or filler cap off.
     
  8. furytom

    furytom Back on Track

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    My drill press can do 3100rpm. I drill with that rpm but as I said it has to be centered and go straight down. With a hand drill ur prolly right since ur never really straight and have a better chance going slow but then its more like a scraping operation instead of drilling!:bounce:
     
  9. FZ1guy

    FZ1guy Hey - Watch this...

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    10 twists per inch.
    There is a youtube video of a guy showing how to do it on a jet engine. Sorry I don't have the link but its easy to find.
     
  10. K3

    K3 What's an apex?

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    K3 What's an apex?

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    I knew someone had a link to an article. Didn't we have one on this site at one point?

    Also good advice from Rick... pretty sure he works on commercial airlines and i KNOW he is more than a little particular!
     
  13. RAZR51

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  14. K3

    K3 What's an apex?

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    You are 100% correct, sir. That doesn't make it right, though. Safety wire comes from aviation and the pins would never be FAA legal for use on an airplane. Most other racing orgs do not allow the safety pin thing. Show up with them at a CCS race and you will be compelled to change them to straight safety wire. Pretty sure the pin trick started in WERA because they run an endurance series, knew stuff would need to be seen to during a race and figured something was better than nothing. The article, if you read it, was written by an AMA mechanic. Pins aren't legal there, either.

    We published that article in the hope that people would decide pins weren't the best solution. Still, they ARE better than nothing and in truth, most trackday orgs don't require more than the bare minimum wiring in any case. No offense meant when I contradicted your post. It's like carrying a round in the chamber; quicker but not as safe. The choice of convenience vs ultimate safety is yours to make.
     
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  15. RAZR51

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    Yes I agree, they're not as safe, just more convenient. The only pin I use is on my oil fill cap, positioned where it should not back off. I did not know the origins, I found that interesting….thanks.
     
  16. K3

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    The oil cap is a pretty safe place for a pin. I was fortunate enough to work on the Vesrah team for a season, back when they were doing WERA Endurance. THAT was an education! The team used pins where they logically might have to gain access during a hot race and straight wire elsewhere. Mark Junge is a crazy smart guy who builds very sanitary machines.
     
  17. TLR67

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    Oil Cap, Caliper Bolts, Brake Pins, rear wheel and Rad Cap Pins here... Never had a issue..... Save the wire.... Less flat tires in the Pits......
     
  18. Whitney Arnold

    Whitney Arnold Run it wide. The grass is a safe place.

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    I have mentioned this on the forums once before. I have safety wired only 3 bikes now. I used a regular drill and bought about 6 drill bit (per bike). After the first bike, I started using 1/8" and 3/32" drill bits. I NEVER REMOVED A SINGLE BOLT OR USED A DRILL PRESS! I drilled all bolts right on the bikes. They look fine and every now and then I would brake a drill bit. It was easy, just go slow. I never even lubricated the bit while drilling and when I would brake one, I would just immediately go to the next. The bolts are fine, look good, and NO STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS LOST. Please, do not pay for someone to safety wire your bike. We can do it next month at BMP. I will help you do it for free!
     

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  19. j_fuggin_t

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    :thumb: i buy good bits like milwaukee or something like that, makes life much easier for maybe a dollar or two more
     
  20. Rick412

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    Yes. Please collect the scrap wire when you're done so people don't get flats or step on it at later events.
     

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