if in the novice class waht is needed and what is required i have the gear. but what about bike prep? air cooled 2004 gs500f suk i get mixed responses from diffrent people thst have gone to this track. i paln to remove the mirrors, tape the head lamp and tail lamp and remove tag and turn sig's. sould i remove the center stand? are there requirements of tire's and types? also remove fuses to lamps and sig's. any thing need to be saftey wired? i was told there more leanant with the new track people but how leanant are they? thanks for the help
Yes remove the centerstand. This is the checklist I use when doing tech inspection for STT event participants Coolant? (Novice Exempt & obviously not an issue with your air cooled bike anyway) Throttle movement (must be smooth & the throttle must return back to closed on its own) Brakes front & rear (good feel at the lever & adequate pad material) Tire condition (they don't have to be brand new, but balding, dry rotted or plugged tires etc will not be allowed on track) All lights taped Reflectors taped or removed. Mirrors removed or taped No visable oil leaks Chain slack Nothing "hanging" off of bike Passenger pegs flipped up License plate removed
It is not mandatory to remove the centerstand for the Novice group, but it is highly recommended. It is neccessary to remove it for the Intermediate & Advanced groups. Typically it is a safety issue & it will drag on the ground possibly upsetting the bike & causing you to lose control. In severe cases it can actually lever the rear wheel off the ground. At the very least it is a major distraction for others when you have sparks flying off your bike from parts dragging the ground.
Of course you are making this post after completly reading the POLICIES & PROCEEDURES Section of the STT website where all of ths is spelled out and explained........ right? Seriously - Your NEED to read this section prior to riding. Thanks and we'll see you at CMP BTW - Your GS is a great and fun track bike
yes i did read it, fact is my pegs will drag long be for the center stand. thats why i asked. i am tossing the bt-45 touring tires for some pilot powers shoudl be a lot better.
Ranger, Ditch the center stand and Ill let you use my race stand. Unless I bring the GSXR too. Either way Ill work something out for you. I would seriously consider going with the PR series. Pilot powers are great for a first experience but I think riding deals gap you will probably bump up pretty quick. my number is 256 591 5539, give me a call some time today if you see this and i ll tell you verything you need. werd 8)
Power Race tires are overkill for anyone in the Novice group & without tire warmers can be downright dangerous. The Pilot Powers are more than ample for Novice class track duty & have a much quicker warm-up time plus they work great as street tires & can pull duty as rain tires too.
+1 I absolutely DO NOT think you should use Power Race tires in the Novice group and truth be told, most Intermediates who "Think" they need a race tire really do not and might actually go faster with less drama on Powers or Power 2CT. I am one of four Michelin Race Tire distributors in the USA and have hundreds and hundreds of track days worth of exprience (about 100 of these on Pilot Powers) to draw upon..... Please heed my advice, you'll be glad you did.
yea, here at work we have been back and forth about this, the bigest issue i have is... no one makes a good radal in 130/70/17 only touring bis ply. which i have. dont get me wrong, the bt-45 hold up fine, but it takes a while for them to heat up. mabe 2-4 laps they should be fine. how many laps per section? i am nto going to worry about it, no need to spend 150 a tire and then 100 more on a wider rim to run a 160 tire. one track day at a time and i will go from there.
Ranger, Do you have room between swingarm as well as chain guard to fit a one size wider tire (140)? Michelin has the Macadam M50 v-rated tire in a 140/80-17 size. Might be close enough without changing the ride height that much. Reason I mention that one is because I've used those tires on a cafe'd 79 Bonneville that I rode very aggressively at places like the Gap, as well as many similar roads. Severe peg grinding lean angles and stuck like a boog on your finger.... An excellent tire: feel and grip wise. What about the Pirelli Sport Demon, they list a 140/80-17. Also a v-rated tire that would be a good choice. And finally, Avon has an AV46 Azaro-ST Radial 140/80-17 that might fit.... might be your best bet. I would think you could fit that tire with no problems with no need to adjust ride height etc., and have a proper radial What size front do you have?
front is a 110/70/17 rear is a 130/80/17 i can do as wide as 160/60/17 in the rear and 120/60/17 front. i just need a katana wheel (98 up) using any thing wider than a 140 i start to pintch the tire on the rim and will cause odd wear and will also have a smaller contact patch. fo this track day i will run what i have. i realy cant speen that much on all of this after geting all the thing i just got. valves, jets, exhust, tires, brakes, wind shild, gas tank, air filter, oil change, sprockets, chain, gold valve and springs
Ranger as per my tire post, I thought you were bringing the CBR. Personally I ran Power Race mediums my first trackday. I ve never run pilot powers. I have been in the "money" jam before so I understand. Ive only been riding on the track for 4 months and my times at Barbers is consistent 143's. No thats not stellar or anything but I attribute running decent times to having good tires. Pilot Powers are good tires and LOTs of people swear by them. For the money they are worth it as everyone seems to at least agree on that. Im not a fan of the PR series but cant find any Power Race mediums..............really bums me out. If you plan on getting the rim for the bigger rear myslef or mezcal would be more than happy to sell you our takeoffs which should allow you to run a good trackday out of them. It all depends on how you advance through the days. I dont know Carolina AT all so its going to be a new experience as per tire wear, etc. Seriously with as much as you ve ridden on deals gap I would say your probably going to pick it up relatively quick. Once you get the lines down you just settle into getting smoother. Either way PM me or Mezcal if you need help with something. We ll be up there FRI afternoon or evening whenver the campgrounds open if they let us in. Not familiar with the pits or anything but your more than welcome to setup shop by us. I believe USMCSilver from sportbikes.ws will be there as well. Im thinking im bringing just the gixxer but I may have founf a way to get the SV up there as well. Either way hit me up.
POWER RACE MEDIUMS ARE IN STOCK ON THE STT SITE. Just curious, why are you not a fan of the PR series...?
They may have recieved them in stock. Last time I checked STT didnt have any at the time. I dont mind the PR4, so let me rephrase. I know the PR fronts are groovy and ive never had any problem. The PR4 towards the end of a hot trackday can get slick or something. Nothing major. They tend to drift out a little bit. I have a VTwin though so I personally think that the way I engine brake on them is hell anyways. The one thing I know I really dont like about them is when they give, they just give. They feel different when they slip out, and you can get used to it but when I lowsided at Barbers a week ago the tire just gave. I approached the turn at half the speed and had started to slow up. Im not sure what I did wrong. By no means am I blaming the tires. Mark told me thats when mistakes happen though is when you slow up. I never felt the tires give, which has its good points, and that is I didnt have time to crap my pants before I hit the ground. I really should have re phrased what I said about the PR Series before. I like them but I prefer the Power Race Medium. Im still a Michelin fan STT guy fear not, I just never had trouble with the Power Race medium. Is the PR5 same profile/compound??
trick, i sold the cbr a few months ago. i wish i never had. a 500$ runing, (very well no dought) bike. that would have bee the best track bike but now is now. i still cant get an answer from CMP about camping, and the gate fee, they said and i quote " you needf to talk to the group your having the event with for information" wtf you cant tell me if there is a gate fee or when i can get in to set up? stt guys any idea on this
I love STT and their crews but I m going to laugh (and cuss) if they tell you to contact CMP. All I know is, I ll be there on Friday. Im not afraid to stay in the Mickey D's parking lot. Although last time I jumped out of the camper and walked in there to use there showers I got thrown out. Rule 1. Dont walk in to a Mickey D s wrapped only in a towel Rule 2. Dont tell the manager to STF up and point where the showers are before you drop trow on the serving room floor Rule 3. Never ever never drink Tequilla.
Trick if you can run :43's consistantly at Barber I should not have been able to dice with you for a session at the last trackday My best times there were several laps in the :44's and 3 of those were in that session passing you . I had a bunch in the :45's too but I only consider myself consistant at 46-47's . That's what I know I can do from the 1st session out to the last . I crashed at Barber during a private trackday this Sunday going into T1 on a 2 1/2 day old PR4 . Missed my regular downshift to 4th going in and that took my mind off my proper turn in point and I went in about 6' too late , in 5th gear with a slipper clutch that has no engine braking in the upper gears ! Those old PR4/PRC's drifted all the way to the edge and didn't give out completly until I decided to lowside it at the edge on purpose since I was already dragging my butt trying to make it ( a few more feet of pavement is all I was praying for ). If they just let loose (which I have heard they can) it is well past the limits which I can ride them to . I was impressed by them to say the least . It was my mistakes that sent my bike 20 feet into the air , definitly not the tires I've crashed 2 times in 3years at the track (18 Days) and it's never been a tire issue .
Your experience is likely not going to be the same as mine. I m not saying tires is the cause of me lowsiding, personally I think I cut in to far to the inside and tucked the front. Either way there was no sign, just sky ground sky ground. Tires arent the reason but if I have to take the blame than that makes me responsible............................... :shock: cant have that. As per my averages, I would come out running 147-150 warm up laps and then go right into running 43s. If I had tire warmers, which I think i ve spent enough this season, than I d probably roll right into it. SAT was all 143 from 1st to last. It wasnt like it was a lucky run. I was consistent from start to finish. Either way, get that damn thing back together and hit Carolina with us maybe Jennings. It d help to have the whole crew on a new track.