1st session of the day for me, and SAT was a lot more successful than SUN, ask my bike................Hilda s all scuffed up but shes itching for a new track anyways. Benny damn it I thought YOUR screen name was Rydfree - I had you confused with Darkstar on Sb.ws for a sec. Not right to be messing with the kiddies heads benny! :x
Hey ya think my avatar might have been a clue ?? ....and crashing each day negates any consistancy arguement . Subtract at least 2 seconds from the times you are running when you crash then average in the rest of your laps and that's more what one can do consistantly ....well safely anyway
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA ROFL !!!!!! You said SAFELY!!!! LOLOLOLLOLOL ROFL!!!!!!!! Ohhhhhh god still laughing! So whats that make OUR averages Benny?
Trickzuki, what class were you running in at Barber & which bike? Was it the black TLR with the red or orange numbers?
Silver SV1000S with the red helmet. Number 50 on the bike. SAT I rode it off in the grass after riding my VERY first endo after having my suspension adjusted I failed to listen to Kenny and should have takin my time getting used to it. Anyways it stood straight up. I was riding through the grass and where the sod meets the gravel it did a tank slapper and through me clear of it. SUN I lowsided in 14. I had started to let up my pace because I was getting tired and I took the same line as I had been. The frotn washed out on me and I ended up taking someone with me. Im not usually so prone to wrecking etc but it aside from running a decent time it was a bad weekend for me.
Ahh yes, I know exactly who you are now, shoulda put that together without asking. You are the one that had black magic marker writing on your SV.
Or reckless and dangerous. Given your post in another area asking for a spot in any of three groups, I bet it is r&d. If you are an expert you should not ride in the beginner group as anything other than a control rider, if you are borderline beginner/intermediate you have no business in advanced. Seems you need to learn some self control and grow up, you already took one other rider out do to your own admitted negligence.
Sheepofblue I can understand by reading other comments how you could make this conclusion. Keep in mind that SAT, I chose to ride it in the grass, and I had the opportunity to make the turn but didnt want to get in anyones way. As per taking another rider with me, I deeply regret that as anyone who knows me. I make a consious effort to be as safe as possible. The comment I made to darkside was an inside joke referring to a sport that involves the speeds we run. As per SUN I actually was slowing up and began to take it easy and then I wrecked. The irony to it is he was trying to pass me on the outside of turn 14 and had we stayed our lines and I not lowsided it is very likely he would have slammed into me cresting the hill. Keep in mind I say likely, that dosent mean that would have been the outcome. Passing someone on the outside of 5 or 14 at barbers has leaves that possibility open. I havent missed an STT event at Barbers all season since June and only missed a few at LIL Tally. I had not wrecked all season or really even had a close call. Feel free to continue on about me being irresponsible if you will, Im a big boy I can handle it. Just keep in mind that if you ve been down and taken someone out that it dosent feel good. I am not pleased with the course of events and I apologize directly to you. If you ve ever met me you would know right away that im not trying to hurt anyone or myself. Darkside41 and Porky have both had getoffs at Barbers, and both of these guys ride responsibly and with everything they have. I would like to think I am as considerate of others as they are. Again, I am sorry. Trick. I would not have actually taken a novice spot. This was just a jesterly way to show how much I wanted to be out there.
yep dat'd be me :shock: Thats kind of sad thats how you remember my bike. Its other distinctive feature was it was leaking oil at the beginning of the day only to find out the breather valve screw was loose. Big props to Noah or Jacob (cant ever tell) for taking one look at it and going "oh here it is". I guess i should wokr on some kind of more distinctive features.
That's not neccessarily a good thing... There is a bold line between riding fast & riding well. I'm certainly not trying to impugn your ability, 43's are a pretty good clip around Barber & a good Intermediate lap time, but if you are crashing while doing it then I would kinda have to say that makes it all kinda moot wouldn't you. I mean don't get me wrong we all have our off moments (lord knows I have), but from what I saw on the track & what you have posted here I think you might need to slow it down a little & stop shooting for lap times & spend more effort concentrating on being smooth with proper lines. Lap times are good for bragging rights with your buddies & and a useful tool to evaluate your own improvement, but they are not the end all deciding factor of who is a good rider & who isn't. It is much more important to be smooth & predictable than just fast & as the speeds pick up sometimes that bold line gets blurred, but anything over about 1:40 at Barber can pretty much be done by just keeping the bike firmly planted on both wheels, staying on the proper line & getting a good drive out. Sub 1:40's on the other hand require a lot more effort.
That weekend was the first time Ive ever even used a lap timer. Truth of it is I dont feel Im overdoing it. It is important to figure out where the mistake is at to detemine being smooth. How i did it, cause, etc in order to learn from it. My personal opinion of a 143 isnt nill. Im not out there for times as it were. The other aspect is you guys can all feel a little safer out there knowing I wont be around next year on the track or for that matter the next 4 years that I know of. It was my last trip at barbers before I head out for the good ole US Army, Field Artillery. My college tour is almost up and that means I get cmmissioned and im gone. Now I know I have plenty to work on, but cmon guys you cant tell me if someone said ,"hey this may be your last chance to step foot on this track" you wouldnt push yourself. I know that I have left myself wide open to get flamed, but I want you to truly understand my perspective. Military has outlawed wera racing and also wont cover any insurance on any high adventure type sports or at least so says my brother (USA, MP, MAJ.) So if it was your last weekend at your favorite track, what would you do? Obivously the outcome was not what I wanted and it was a learning experience. Let it be known that I do not normally ride above my limits. This will be the last comment on here I post. Clearly ive stirred it up and that wasn t my intent. Apologies to all and be safe out there.
I feel ya brother & yes I would be more inclined to wick it up a little if I knew I would not be on the track again in the near future, but at the same time knowing how many things can go wrong on the race track, many of which can cause serious harm to myself or others, I personally would not risk pushing the envelope just for the sake of nostalgia. I always ride within my own comfort zone & while my record is pretty good I have still managed to end up face down in the kitty litter twice since 2000 when I started doing trackday events on a regular basis neither of those times was I pushing hard at all. I can only imagine how many crashes I would have had over the years if I just tried to seek out that last little bit of fun or excitement where I wasn't in total control of my bike... Don't misconstrue I am not down on ya at all. I want everyone to have a good time out there on the track & Git'R Done It's just the crashing part isn't much fun for anyone & a little personal restraint & prudence can go a long way towards preventing it.
Lord Duckhunter I just figured ot who you wre and it took a sec but now i ve got a face with the name. you were the one who got pulled over or something and showed the cop your wera license. Funny story!
I never intended to flame you rather to point out some problems that I percieved. There is already plenty of risk without adding to it. If the discussion has made ANY of us less likely to bin it then it was a good discussion. Keep your head down on your future duties and if you are not headed to a warzone double check the info on track days. I have friends who are active duty army that do track days so there may be a way. If not 4 years is not that long and take care of your hide and come back to riding when you can.
http://bgphoto.biz/galleries/proofs/060909STT/asun/060910-1676.jpg.htm Trick is the Silver bike and I am on the Black R6 in that pic from Barber . Duckhunter I can relate to your experience . I have been at the track 18 times since 2004 and have always tried to ride within my abilities and not "Push it beyond the limits" . I try to find what I can do safely and work from there , just having fun . I started off with a private trackday group in the "A" class at my friends request , on my 1st ever sportbike ('04 R1) and did pretty good . A 1:46 at Barber and 1:13's at Little Tally were pretty good . I did a couple more dates in "A" then dropped myself back to "I" because I wasn't learning a whole lot . I was fast enough to be there and I was passing a few but wasn't really improving . I was just riding how I used to ride on the street and that could easily have been translated into "foolish" . I sure wish I had known about the STT novice classes back then ! My 2nd year I sold the R1 (It was just a Monster) and purchased an ex WERA 2000 CBRF4 and immediately went 3 seconds faster at Tally during my 1st STT day with them in '05 . I mostly did "I" group all year then finally went back in "A" at the end of the year . I learned a lot on that bike . I had my first crash (minor lowside at Barber in T5 ) after my 12th trackday . Nothing hurt and I rode the rest of the day . This past Saturday I had my 2nd get off on the 18th track outting with the same group I had the other crash with ( the group that I started all my trackday addiction with ) No fault of thiers , just bad timing on my part I lowsided in T1 Barber in spectacular fashion but not even a bruise here . (bike not so much ) Thankfully I have never involved anyone else but I do try to pick my passes very carefully . Laptimes don't mean that much to me , hell why should they , I'm most likely never going to be as fast as even the slow WERA experts . There's always going to be someone faster than me so what's the point ? I've crashed out there even when I have seriously tried to do everything as safely as possible . Stuff is gonna happen in this sport . I give Trick a hard time but he knows I never would have diced back and forth with him that close if I thought he was really just being dangerous . The crash where he took out another rider was misfortunate but the guy took an outside pass and that's the risk . Whether or not he stayed behind Trick long enough to evaluate his lines before the pass is unknown . I certainly would have which is why I am not faster in traffic than I am With that being said , I do see a lot of problems developing at trackday events with anyone signing up for any group they so choose . I have definitely witnessed a lot of questionable riders in the "A" group this year and have tried to steer clear of them on the track . When one of those tries a bad pass or hard braking manuver that catches me in the effects , that is my worry . Some may say the same about my slow arse out there but I welcome the input . I'll gladly ride in whatever class the organizers put me in , I'm just happy to be out there , LOL
LIKE this line...LOL... http://bgphoto.biz/galleries/proofs/060909STT/asun/060910-11649.jpg.htm Sorry "TRICK"...I had to get in at least one shot... But you have really inproved over the short amount of time you have been on the track... Come to think of it you have about as much time at Barber as ME....which isnt enough.. :lol:
Porky, you didnt know that was the inside line?????? :shock: Zach from the other board told me to try a new line and when I came over I had come in to early but it didnt really offset the suspension or anything quite to my surprise. No one was around luckily, except the photographer. So now everyone sees it. You guys really cant take Porkys word though, he tends to fall asleep while riding so if you want to talk safety lets discuss a cure for narcolepsy. One last shot...................................ya big jerk! Im telling Mitzi!
So to summarize; Read the policies and procedures, Michelins rule, we'll be camping at McDonalds, Benny and Kyle will continue their "Mustang and Iceman" routine untill they figure out who is who's wingman, we gotta go really fast and not wreck or at least not very much, stay awake while on the track (ie stop looking at your speedo in the kinks, right porky?), pass on the outside and you'll take your chances and like it, Noah and Jacob are bike ninjas, and there's more than one way to get out of a ticket. Did I miss anything?