Lorenzo / Marquez / Rossi

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  1. SotF

    SotF n00b

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    Even Rossi has said he was wrong. That does not make Marc innocent or the punishment appropriate.

    Technically CAS didn't "agree" with the punishment. They stated that Rossi did not provide sufficient evidence to proceed with arbitration to reverse the decision. It is not "he deserves this punishment" but more of a "you didn't convince us we need to do anything". Subtle but important difference, because this stems back to Marc "not breaking any rules".

    Even the Permanent Bureau said "we will be watching very closely for fair play and sporting behavior". This is just more of the same BS, Marc made a dick move but can not be punished because there is not a rule against it... so lets just railroad Rossi because he snapped at him.
     
  2. Booma

    Booma What's an apex?

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    Everyone has their opinions and biases and I respect everyone's opinions on this thread. I have acknowledged my own bias as a Rossi fan.

    But I have to say that I can't stand Honda right now. Yamaha's statement was measured and neutral. They didn't go on the attack against Marquez despite having some arguably good reasons to do so. Honda on the other hand takes the "holier than though" attitude and attacks Rossi with direct (and in my opinion) ridiculous accusations given the video evidence. In particular holding on to their "Rossi kicked Marquez' bike over" theory.

    To my mind Yamaha is taking the high road in an effort to try to mitigate the negative and damaging effects the drama has had on the sport and riders, while Honda is doing the exact opposite.
     
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  3. 196paul

    196paul Track Day Junkie

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    I am also a Rossi fan and would love to see him win this championship! It's not over and I believe he has a chance. About Honda, I'd really like to see what they have as far as evidence in data to prove that Rossi kicked the brake lever. I've watched the slow motion YouTube vids over and over and someone on another forum pointed out to watch the front end of MM's bike. His forks are compressed coming closer to VR and then he releases the front brake which causes the forks to rebound, they never compress again as he leans into VR and he looses the front as he is leaning in on VR. If Honda has data that shows the front brake was applied and thus caused the bike to crash, they most certainly invented it! I'd like to believe that Marquez has nothing to do with this but it's obvious that Honda wants their rider to look innocent. Good luck with that one Honda!
     
  4. mfb2168

    mfb2168 STT Staff
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    I think the data honda has will show mm wasn't sandbagging and tryin to hold up vr. go dani!!! my new fav rider
     
  5. 196paul

    196paul Track Day Junkie

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    From what I've read, they believe Marc's story about VR kicking his front brake lever and they claim to have data to prove it. I'm not qualified to have an opinion about whether MM was sandbagging or not but would like to believe he wasn't. I thought PI was the best race of the already awesome season and am disappointed that it has turned into the controversy that it has become. This final race is going to be a nail biter for sure!
     
  6. flylikechris

    flylikechris Wait, how tall are you?

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    You guys see qualifying? Man regardless of how you feel about him, Rossi is no champion this year. He has been lucky on the misfortune of other riders mostly.

    imo..
     
  7. TwoBrothersBusa

    TwoBrothersBusa Team Gixxer Racing
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    points currently indicate otherwise...
     
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  8. steve802cc

    steve802cc Knows an apex

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    It would be hard to consider it qualifying for Rossi when he already knows his grid position. Also makes it hard to get your head in the game.

    Considering he doesn't even have to race tomorrow and will finish no less than second in the championship he's still looking like a champion to me.

    IMO of course.
     
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  9. casper3043

    casper3043 Rides with no training wheels

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    there's a difference between qualifying vs. race settings. rossi could care less about his qualifying time. he was concentrating on fine tuning and trying difference adjustments for his race setting.
     
  10. flylikechris

    flylikechris Wait, how tall are you?

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    Oh man, three people quoted me on that. I'm scared to read them haha

    More or less I was just venting because I'm rooting for Lorenzo.
    It's like when you get drunk at a hockey game and smack talk the other team and get in fights with people and get kicked out.
    Similar at least..
     
  11. E-Van

    E-Van What's an apex?

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    SPOILER....







    Well that sealed the proof that Marquez was fixing the race for his buddy Lorenzo. No attempts to pass when he's on Lorenzo's back wheel the whole race? Then when Pedrosa tries to come through with speed he blocks him?
     
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  12. flylikechris

    flylikechris Wait, how tall are you?

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    I wish I was so fast that when I'm not winning people think I'm just playing games. Man what a complement that would be.

    Of course Marquez blocks Pedrosa? I don't get your logic there.
     
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  13. Prop Job

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    Dude...you are f**king blind if you can't see what Marquez was doing. He has proved without a doubt over the last 3 races that he is a classless piece of shit.
     
  14. E-Van

    E-Van What's an apex?

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    The most aggressive rider on the track suddenly becomes the most conservative and follows a guy for the entire race without once attempting a move on him? Give me a break.
     
  15. Booma

    Booma What's an apex?

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    Well, that's pretty much what Rossi said in his post race interview....

    I guess Marquez will be sipping boat drinks with Lorenzo at his swinging bachelor pad in Barcelona tonight.

    P.S. If I was Lin Jarvis I would send Lorenzo packing to Honda and pick up Pedrosa. Since Lorenzo and Marquez work so well together, it only makes sense they should be on the same team.
     
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  16. casper3043

    casper3043 Rides with no training wheels

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    i appreciate pedrosa riding his ride. he paced himself to last race distance and attempted to make things interesting. what marquez did is completely unsportsmanlike. he single-handedly took the spirit of racing out of Motogp.

    on one hand, i'd understand if Rossi were to reitre after this shit. on the other, i'd love to see him play spoiler to the gay duo of MM + JL.
     
  17. sbk1198

    sbk1198 What's an apex?

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    People are quick to judge and forget that he also single-handedly brought the spirit of racing back to GP...it was getting pretty boring until 2013 when he came along. In the last 3 years, every exciting race in MotoGP involved Marquez.

    Anyone ever thought that maybe he wasn't aggressive in this one because he was told not to due to all this controversy in the last few weeks. First people were bitching about him getting involved in a championship that he can't win anyway, and now that he stays out of it, everyone's bitching that he's not getting involved. Bunch of fair weather fans...guess he should only get involved if it benefits Rossi? Is that it??

    And believe it or not, this is coming from a Rossi fan, and I really hoped a miracle would've happened and he would've won today...but most of all I'm a motorcycle racing fan, I like the sport more than any team and any rider. And since I like both Rossi and Marquez, I'm not biased to either one...fair is fair.
     
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  18. E-Van

    E-Van What's an apex?

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    I would not be upset if he was riding 100% to win and happened to get in a battle with Rossi. But that's not what happened, and again today he wasn't riding his own race and giving it 100%. These aren't contradictory positions. I want to see every rider go out and ride at their maximum to win every race, then may the best rider be the champion. What I don't want to see is people pick and choose when they turn it on in a deliberate attempt to alter the championship.
     
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  19. casper3043

    casper3043 Rides with no training wheels

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    People were only bitching when he started dropping back purposely to slow other riders (Rossi) down. If he raced his own race, he would've won these last 3 GP's and that would only benefit Rossi. Now people are bitching because he didn't even attempt to win his home race that he could've easily. Far from professional in my eyes.

    When Rossi leaves, who will play the hero? We clearly have 2 villians now, Jorge and Marc. You can't have a good story without both a hero and villian. Marc was a clear favorite for this spot, but I would bet all the millions of fans won't forget this.
     
  20. flylikechris

    flylikechris Wait, how tall are you?

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    I can't believe everyone buys this nonsense. Wow.. What's sad is that Rossi is playing mind games with the public, getting them to buy his bull crap theories and put pressure on Marc and Jorge.

    Jorge is the only man this season who deserves the title.
     
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